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lol ... tit for tat
Published Aug. 21, 2008
And the sniping war between the candidates continues. One the one side, they're toting out Bill Ayers. On the other, they're toting out Ralph Reed. It's scary to think how (much more) banal this contest is going to become by November ...
Barack Obama's campaign is linking John McCain to the infamous Jack Abramoff scandal that ended several Republicans' political careers three years ago in a new campaign ad hitting Georgia airwaves Wednesday.
The 30-second spot is the Obama campaign’s second negative ad in the past 24 hours. It attacks the Arizona senator for his association with former Christian Coalition head Ralph Reed, one of the Republicans implicated in the scandal.
The ad also seems to suggest McCain didn't call Reed to testify before a Senate panel he chaired in return for political favors.
“When the Senate investigated, the senator in charge never even called Reed to testify….And that senator? John McCain. And who’s now raising money for McCain’s campaign? Ralph Reed," the ad's narrator says. "For 26 years in Washington, John McCain’s played the same old games. We just can’t afford more of the same.”
The TV spot sparked a sharp rebuke from McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers, who called it "ridiculous," and noted Obama's connection to Bill Ayers, the current University of Chicago professor and one-time leader of the militant group "Weather Undeground."
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But all you really know about the relationship, such as it is, is they served on a board together. That's all you can substantiate and even then you can't really establish the nature or depth of that interaction.
That you are jumping as far as you are from that state of affairs to where you've ended up suggests to me that you are searching for an after the fact justification for a conclusion that you predetermined.
And that's not worth my time ...
GOLO member since June 10, 2008
August 21, 2008 9:13 a.m.
"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense, George."
Based on what we KNOW about his relationship, this description is, at best, inaccurate. It is a blatant effort to minimize his involvement with this man and, in my opinion, a lie.
August 21, 2008 9:09 a.m.
How can you really say that he has repeatedly and demonstrably lied while asserting in the same paragraph that the relationship can't be accurately defined. You're stating a conclusion that, by your own admission, you can't substantiate.
I suspect the records are being withheld to prevent whatever might be there from being mined for nebulous things that can and would be misrepresented as being much larger things by the opposition. It's really a case of denying the McCain camp an opportunity to do more of the same, and that's politics, friend.
GOLO member since June 10, 2008
August 21, 2008 8:49 a.m.
Obama was chairman of the board of a foundation established by Ayers. The exact relationship there is unknown since persons unknown are refusing to allow the Chicago Library to release the records. But Obama has repeatedly and demonstrably LIED about his relationship with Ayers.
August 21, 2008 8:41 a.m.
That said, I'm not impressed with McCain either. The purpose of this blog wasn't to lend support to either candidate, but instead to marvel at the apparent stupidity and gullibility of the average American voter in falling for garbage like this (from both sides ...)
GOLO member since June 10, 2008
August 21, 2008 8:25 a.m.
GOLO member since October 12, 2007
August 21, 2008 8:01 a.m.
Really? They have close ties? You have evidence of this?
Or did they once serve on a board together years ago and haven't spoken to each other since?
Barnum was right ...
GOLO member since June 10, 2008
August 21, 2008 7:59 a.m.
Having said that, comparing Ralph Reed to Bill Ayers is comparing lightening to lightening bugs. Ayers is an avowed and unrepentant terrorist with close ties to Obama. Reed is, at worst, a harmless kook.
August 21, 2008 7:49 a.m.
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